well said....well said .... i find this fascination with him really misplaced idolry..
But I guess like anything ... if you weren't actually THERE its easy for you to hear 'chinese whispers' of the truth... sort of like Jesus and the Bible!

Why it gotta be Chinese? Ain't nothin' "Chinese" 'bout it, ya hur? Chinese whispers. Chinese whispers outta my ass.

lol i luv u!
point taken.... am just sooooooo tired of people lionising Alig... so am ranting... "British whispers" then!

Anna, you know I was soooo joking. I couldn't care less about PCness. Yammer away about the Asians, the only person who I'd feel offended hearing anything Asian from is your girlfriend/lover Kimora.

Well, if drugged-out pedophiliac morally bankrupt corrupter of youth were any criteria then there might just be too many of these "support groups" for Yahoo to handle.
The fact is he murdered someone, or at the very least, caused someone's death.
I guess the fascination with Alig will attract those that endlessly watch true crime shows on cable television. But really, how many times can the stories of such people like Alig, Jeffrey Dahmer or even Josef Mengele be rehashed before one loses interest? At least with Mengele, and perhaps even Dahmer, there is a bigger and infinitely more horrifying picture involved. With Alig there is no such context. It's a tiny story... as tiny as the out-of-work white trash from Florida who bludgeons his wife to death for the insurance money... Support group? Find out more? Bah!

Or rather, "Yawn..."

AN, I had never heard the term "Chinese Whispers" before. Is it like the game we used to call "Telephone?" Or something else entirely?

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>I would say we should just kill this thread, except it has a lot educational value


But I think, this thread was made for discussing about the movie "Party Monster" and not about the glorifying of Michael Alig.

Am I the only person, who like this movie? ;-)

You are of course completely right Z & S... this may very well open the door to further exploration for the clever ones. As for the others, well there's no accounting for taste.
I was very much reacting in my post to the Yahoo Group description which is linked in the above post, and reads in part:

"Welcome to the newest online community resource for Michael Alig. Here we will discuss ways in which we can give our best support to Michael while in prison.
. We will discuss the true facts about him and dismiss all false ideas that may have some people delirious from watching a particular Hollywood movie..."

Anyway...
Missy brought up a good question... did anyone else like the movie?
What I really mean to ask was it well done as a piece of film?
Obviously I have not seen it. I am pretty perverse that way, about seeing films that I knew the characters in. I mean how long did it take me to see Cecil B. DeMille's The Bible, Daddy?

Documentary was made by Fenton and Randy - World of wonder

(Ha i typed that like Show Producer!!LOL)

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What I really mean to ask was it well done as a piece of film?

Okay, I have to drive to the office now. It is 7:29 in the morning now here in Germany.

But later, I will give a detailled statement, why I love this movie, and what in my opinion is well done in this film.

But, consider, I live in Germany. Michael Alig was not international famous and popular. So almost nobody here knows about him or about his life and story. So, when we watch the movie, we don´t have a comparison to the "real" Michael Alig. The most of you have this comparison, because you live in NY.
So when we watch this movie, we fall in love with this funky, extraordinary charakters, celebrating so much fun and partys. Culkin and James St. James seem likebale and lovely.
For foreign people it seems more than a grotesque, a funny parody of experimental Independent-Cinema. You know, what I mean?

But I understand, you guys from NY don´t like this production, because you know the whole stroy of the real Micheal Alig and the real Angel.

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Satori,
You are wise beyond your years, perfect answer.

I understand the Club Kid appeal. It's the glittery lure of the "alternative". I'm still dazzled by it. I even understand the dark appeal of murder. I mean, 2 years ago we did "A Very Jack The Ripper Christmas" as our annual Jackie 60 Christmas Paegent. I'm sure that if you actually knew Mary Kelly (as Hattie did) it wouldn't be so funny. But as Satori pointed out, Angel was a friend of mine. He was such a cute kid. Thinking of him chopped up in a bath tub makes me sick. OK? Picture a friend of yours like that and see how sympathetic you are to his or her murderer. Again, as Satori pointed out there were/are a lot of very creative scenes out there. "90's Club Kids" is just one.
Pick another.

JACK THE RIPPER CHRISTMAS SHOW

Oh, and the movie...
It sucked!!! but I LOVED the costumes. Who ever did them really got it right! They were fab and totally realistic. I think it was the writing that really sucked. As someone who was at most of those parties in the movie (yes, they really happened) the dialogue and acting was a joke.

As per the glamourization of murder, there is no doubt stories of murder and serial killing, etc. are very 'entertaining' but there are limits. E.g. Jack the Ripper -- I wanted to go walking around the area in London one afternoon, and went into a local Information kiosk. The woman would not tell me ANYTHING at all, no directions towards streets, etc. and only urged me to go on a guided tour (they are all at night.) She glared at me like I was a ghoul. I guess I was.

I found some things anyhow, based on my researches... My London friend later informed me that at one point there was so much touristic crap in Whitechapel -- the bar where some of the whores would hang out had been renamed "Jack the Ripper" or something -- that the city government of London put a stop to all of it. In other words, the public's lust for the dried blood of the legend was growing more and more blatant and vulgar. So now you walk around there and the original bar is back to its original name, The Three Bells, I believe, and there's no signage, no trace anywhere of the crimes. Which really is the best thing for all concerned.

Johanna Constantine and I one evening thought we would go on the tour. She was all dolled up in Victorian of course and I was in suitable black. When the tour gathered and we saw all the Nikes and puffy down jackets, we totally took a powder. I mean they should at least have a DRESS CODE for the tour!

The writing in the film was atrocious. There is so much blithering downtime in it.
But one scene I thought was good was when Michael Alig & Co. went 'on tour' to some club in Chicago, and they do a lederhosen Nazi theme. The song is "Money, Success, Fame, Glamour" by Felix Da Housecat (?) The bad taste is insurmountable and admittedly sick and funny.

Missy, if he had not decided to murder someone is such a cold-hearted manner, no-one would have any problems with the style.
Your POV proves the moral error imposed by the directors.
They aid you to fixate on the stylization, and make you forget the psychopathy.

Have been waiting for a lull in this ever-fascinating topic to launch part 2.

Since we do like to keep topics to about 100 posts I attempted to move the overage to the new topic - software wasnt really cooperating so its a bit of a muddle, but carry on there!

Michael Alig Part 2

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