And there are poets and liars and egos
too big to describe,
and soft hearts
and pained souls
and confusion both inside and out.

And we are standing in front
of each our own mirrors,
and some are revealing their souls,
and some are revealing their senses,
and some are lost in the storm of defenses.

And everyone feels something;
that theirs is the best,
that truth is illusion,
that it matters to the rest.


Time to say simply,
that love is the answer.
It starts here with us
and here is wherever you are.

Well I see Ms. Judge Judy aka Show Producer has delivered another stunning verdict once again. The air getting a bit thin up there on the pedestal, darling? Well never mind. A pompous bore but at least consistent.

Many people take self-defense classes AFTER they've been assaulted or gay-bashed, and it's known to be therapeutic physically and spiritually. I think any fool could plainly read my meaning in suggesting it to Daisy as a form of healing, despite attempts to twist my words into something else. Otherwise I stand behind EVERYTHING I've said. Trashy and cackling all the way to the bank on my broomstick, that's me. Next!

Show,Now i m asking you to bowout,The people who i would have been once pround of have proven that they're not worth it.....i wonder how the benefit from the hate.

Pull out, my friend,IS TIME,IS TIME

P.S. Interesting to note the dramatic difference in the language use of your posts. In your glowing post about Show, the diction is nearly as perfect and polished as Hillary Clinton's. Almost as if there were two different writers posting under your name!

But of course that can't possibly be it. Must be the power of positive thinking.

Daisy you do write so well... almost as if Ike Turner.. I mean Gelman could have proof read.. but of course I know he didn't as he's perfect and would never do such a thing.. really glad to here that he is NOT a tranny chaser but a St8 man in a perfect picket fence world..would be such an awful thing if he were an chaser awful awful awful...nearly as awful as Lex.. and you know he's trashy.. Daisy is right in her Welsley words... we are not worthy...
Now.. perhaps we can out this now and get back to some real TS issues that are not about my gloating about my son and my perfect life as a wife and mother... did I also tell you that my media project (the one I can't talk about) have been picked up by a big network that I can't mention (CBS)..no doubt we'll all be celebrating in Soho House tonight, PR PR sweetie dahlings...that's if ole Jimmy Scouse gets back from Teterboro (private plane, luv).. but lets NOT talk about me...and what I know..
Daisy in all honesty... i think you are prob real decent and nice...and in the Stockholm syndrome... I sincerely wish you well...sincerely... pity that we all 'meet you' like this.
Showy.. i have no more time for verbal ping pong.. let the real TS talk about their experiences and lets learn from them not patronize.

Hey everyone!
I just stumbled into this room.
What are we talkin' about?
Dysphoria?
Oh please...
It's nuthin'.
I had it lots a times.
You just go to Petland an' get that penicillin that they sell for fish. You got to take lots of it though 'cause it's for goldfish but it works for people too if you take lots of it.
My girlfriend Jackie Bigalow is takin' it now.
She woke up all itchy an' gooey in her lady-land.
I said, "Girl, you gots that Dysphoria. Better get your ass down to Petland right away."
She said she must a got it from a toilet seat.
I got it from Jose.

Bonnie!!!!!
Get the hell out of this room!
These people are having a serious discussion. And that's what these boards are for. Not your stupid "health & beauty" tips.
It may get a little heated sometime but hey,
that's life.
Now go write something stupid in your diary.

Sorry people,
please continue.

bonnie you need a very large tank for that penacilllin to work 50 gallons and up
believe me i know

a very interesting dicussion you are having here
i believe it is very hard for "firends" of trannys to come out of there closet and be proud
maybe even harder then t/g themselves
is it because they have chosen to extist in the st8 world with all the baggage that entails?

and yes i did wonder about daisys perfect english too but like many who learned language in school perhaps she writes it more correct thren she speaks it?

Wow – how interesting to see how this discussion thread has progressed ...

Randella made a comment earlier that for me really hit home:

"I think a more interesting question is can our society adapt and become more inclusive of all things inbetween?"

This is a great question and I certainly wish society would adapt, but why should they? We're a joke to them, a fringe group of weirdo's that can be easily dismissed. I can tolerate the comments and jokes at my expense, after all it is usually trivial in the scheme of all things. But it disturbs me at my core that I should be stripped of my rights simply because society doesn't understand me and is scared by my presentation.

We all have the common ground in that whether a person is a straight cross-dresser or a transsexual our civil rights can be legally violated or we can be victims of truly heinous violent acts. Navigating this facet of my life is a major distraction from finding my inner peace.

A transsexual is almost forced to go stealth so that they can be freer to concentrate on more important things. For the rest of us ˜in-betweens' we get to carry more of the baggage of our narrow minded society. {please don't misunderstand me - I am not trivializing any ones struggles, it is just that I find the days where is it clear that I'm in-between are the hardest days to get through }

Ok – I really didn't mean to rant.

Maybe the best we can do now is educate people by being visible and leading our lives the way we see fit. This past weekend while at the March for Women's Lives I was gathering signatures for a petition when I met and a State Senator. We talked for a while (but not about TG issues) and upon parting she said it was really good to have met me. Almost as if "I've heard about you people but never met one before..." it was either that or she was just glad that a had a clean napkin for her hand that was dripping from the orange she was eating. It was probably the latter...but I can dream, can't I?

Peace

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That is true Carly but yes sunday i asked my sisters boy to help me write to save myself the shame of being understood.Even with this MS works its hard for me,I wrote at the end how my english was no good so I Would not have to not respond.But i wanted to write my feeling to be heard.Sorry the shame is here.i have no more, this is me.

Never be ashamed and never lose your pride for this garbage that's being spewed. One of the greatest things about you is the way you say things. It's often cute and it's your own undeniable character. The way it was put, was either you're too dumb to have your own thoughts or that you are my string puppet. There was also an Ike Turner reference, meaning that I beat you until you wrote something positive. Either way you are being patronized. I apologize to you for that. My name is not worth your pride. We have made too much progress and you're a happy person, everything else is irrelevant. I will bow out of these forums as you asked and I hold the door for you. This is no longer a productive discussion or supportive, it's just turned into straight up hate, it's not even at the joking level. It's just cruel and inflammatory.

Randella, thank you for being such a kind host, your thoughts are sharp, and your words are purposeful. I wish you well with your education and know that there are endless possibilities in this world for you. I hope are paths cross in the future, as long as I'm not on a gurney. Peace, Good Nurse.

Tumbleweeds...and just the sound of dust blowing. I return to the playground and everyone has gone home.

Well Show Producer has bowed out of the discussion, and Daisy too. Let's wish her well amongst the greenery & picket fences of the blue velvet world of Connecticut. That said, I will take a hit off the oxygen tank, and gear up for more discussion, if anybody wants to play.

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Originally posted by Anna Nicole:
Daisy you do write so well... almost as if Ike Turner.. I mean Gelman could have proof read.. but of course I know he didn't as he's perfect and would never do such a thing.. really glad to here that he is NOT a tranny chaser but a St8 man in a perfect picket fence world..would be such an awful thing if he were an chaser awful awful awful...nearly as awful as Lex.. and you know he's trashy.. Daisy is right in her Welsley words... we are not worthy...
Now.. perhaps we can out this now and get back to some real TS issues that are not about my gloating about my son and my perfect life as a wife and mother... did I also tell you that my media project (the one I can't talk about) have been picked up by a big network that I can't mention (CBS)..no doubt we'll all be celebrating in Soho House tonight, PR PR sweetie dahlings...that's if ole Jimmy Scouse gets back from Teterboro (private plane, luv).. but lets NOT talk about me...and what I know..
Daisy in all honesty... i think you are prob real decent and nice...and in the Stockholm syndrome... I sincerely wish you well...sincerely... pity that we all 'meet you' like this.
Showy.. i have no more time for verbal ping pong.. let the real TS talk about their experiences and lets learn from them not patronize.

I agree with you that TS/TVs should tell their experiences but hopefully they are true so that we can REALLY learn from them.

I know that this thread is dated but I stumbled upon while doing some research for a future article.

I feel that I am compelled to set this old record "str8" (pun not intended).

The true account as witnessed by a dear friend of mine who used to work there is that Daisy was drunk and made a play for one of the 3 young male bar patrons who was not interested in her. She then proceeded to push him and call him derrogatory names when she was spurned and then his 2 friends got into the action when she became physically violent. She was knocked over onto the floor and the guys left in a disgust.
"Show Producer" is actually Daisy's bf. I also agree with you Lex in observing her postings. By reading her earlier posts, anyone with a brain can see that he is the one who is "speaking" for her until she tells him to "bow out".

dont know any of these people but this thread is a good read. Bump